SegoMan DeSigns wrote: Fri Jul 22, 2022 1:00 pm
Joe,
Your the one all over the place with your pull behind back hoe, chair and weather stories.
I apologize. I don't normally have long conversations with folks who need everything S-P-E-L-L-E-D O-U-T for them. I thought you could follow a simple conversation.
The customer was dropping off material at Jacks shop,
Show me
WHERE that little factoid was posted! The OP only stated:
jackgreen91 wrote: Fri Jul 15, 2022 4:29 pm
...the customer wants 1000 of them
and is supplying the plate.
That COULD mean:
1. The customer already HAS IT and will deliver it to Jack himself.
2. The customer will only PAY FOR IT but Jack needs to pick it up.
3. The material will be DELIVERED to Jack's shop by the steel yard that sold the material to the customer.
4. Jack will need to GO GET THE MATERIAL FROM the customer.
5. Jack will need to GO GET THE MATERIAL FROM the steel yard.
6. Jack will need to BOTH PURCHASE AND TRANSPORT the material to his shop, and the customer will only PAY THE COST OF THE MATERIAL WITH NO MARKUP when the job is finished.
you want it delivered to a steel yard. you never stated how it was getting to your shop. Do you own a 2 ton truck & trailer big enough to haul it? Do you have a CDL and DOT # ? Where is the yard with the sheer located? How many hrs lost in transportation?
I was making a point that YOU CLEARLY MISSED.
You admitted you don't know what these places charge.
More silly assumptions on your part.
I said I don't know HOW THE LOCAL STEEL YARD WITH THE SHEAR NEAR JACK'S SHOP will charge JACK to sheer THIS MATERIAL INTO 1,000 300MM X 300MM SQUARES.
Will they charge Jack by the sheet? By the cut? By the hour? By the pound? Does the price go up for a "Rush Job"? Does the price increase for required accuracy? Does Jack get a discount for being a frequent customer?
Can YOU answer ANY of these questions?
How are you offloading the pallets of sheared plates, processing them then loading them on the customers truck when he shows up?
NONE of that has been explained, based on the information provided by Jack in his posts, and he has given us NO HINT of his ability to do this.
Wow.
First, the job is in %$^&* ENGLAND! I was making the point that I would gladly TAKE ON a job like that, which has SO MUCH POTENTIAL FOR HIGH PROFIT, to show
GUYS LIKE YOU how to turn a laborious 200 HOUR back breaking JOB into a new ironworker!
Several people who actually do this kind of work has chimed in with real world experience and numbers, you ignore them as it contradicts the little picture you painted in your head of your shiny new iron worker .
You have
NO CLUE what experience I have, or what I have accomplished.
Have you seen my beautiful Toyota FORKLIFT? How in Hell do you THINK I was able to
AFFORD that $15,000.00 SHOP TOOL?! A similar job came my way. I saw the POTENTIAL to make enough money on the job by NOT farming it out to a CNC plasma table that could HANDLE the large 1/2" steel plates, so I quoted the job
AS IF I had a forklift to move the plates around.
I used the money I earned to PAY for the forklift. I put the plates onto my 5x10 Samson table with the extended forks I also purchased. I cut the pieces, delivered them to the customer, collected the money, and
PAID OFF THE FORKLIFT THAT DAY!
I have done a lot of jobs, but RARELY does A SINGLE $18,000.00 JOB
WALK THROUGH MY DOOR!
This indicates you have no real world experience in a production environment (sorry parade floats don't count unless your mass producing them for a profit.)
The ONLY THING it indicates is that
YOU seem UNABLE to THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX.
I could easily build parade floats for a living.
The JUDGES told me I should do exactly that.
You claim an iron worker is the end all of all $$ jobs yet you own none.
By choice. I could own one TODAY, with a simple phone call, and have it delivered by the middle of August. Back to the conversation you seem unable to follow, it is not PRUDENT for me to buy one JUST TO HAVE ONE at this time, with the economy falling apart, a fake pandemic, a fake President, the threat of the collapse of the U.S. Dollar, and a thousand other things that give me pause.
However, if a highly profitable job like this walked through MY DOOR, I would own an ironworker before dinner time TONIGHT!
Buy one and the work will come right??
Another silly assumption. I am not telling him to buy an ironworker
IN THE HOPE THAT A JOB WILL COME ALONG to pay for it. I am telling him that
HE ALREADY HAS A JOB THAT WILL PAY FOR IT. There is a BIG difference.
Why did you buy a plasma tables instead ?? From all of your statements above they are unreliable.
You are unbelievable. This has NOTHING to do with their reliability! This is about a high dollar job walking through the door of a SMALL SHOP.
Opportunity has knocked at his door! YES, he can use his grandmother, his granddaughter and his hunting dog to move the huge plates from the wooden cart behind his pack llama onto the plasma table and cut them.
He can take drugs to stay awake for the 200+ HOURS
it will require to cut the plates that way. He can do this entire job without adding so much as a new 3mm drill bit to his shop, and PROBABLY produce the plates.... eventually.
At the end of the job,
his shop will be NO MORE CAPABLE that it was at the start. His income WILL NOT HAVE CHANGED one little bit, because any jobs he has lined up will be pushed to the back burner in his ONE-MAN SHOP. He will probably piss off a lot of regular customers who have been slighted, in order for him to grind through this ONE BIG JOB. In FACT, he will probably turn jobs away because of the sudden workload that exceeds the capability of his shop, and word will get out around town ...
"Don't go to him ... he can't do things quickly..."
He will show the customer that he can produce these plates with his limited resources. Then he can spend all of the money on the complete collection of Cabbage Patch Dolls that his granddaughter has been wanting for decades.
Then the customer will return with an order for FIVE THOUSAND PLATES, EACH WITH TWELVE HOLES, and he will want a DISCOUNT as a returning customer... and there stands Jack, nestled in a mountain of Cabbage Patch Dolls,
without an IRONWORKER to expedite the process.
Golly ... MAYBE he can look into having a steel yard shear the plates for him, and ... and ...
Joe
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I did not realize I had chased the storm THAT FAR. So as I watched it move further Northeast, I set the GPS to bring me home, and arrived around 5:30 AM. Then I got a few hours of sleep before rising to meet the day.
. Kind of funny one minute a certain table can do it all, next minute we are told an oxy torch and mag drill would be better. I have the best idea of all, a cordless grinder with a zip wheel, drill the holes with a hand crank auger. That would be slower than a plasma table but it seems like we are trying to help the OP make it take a while!
